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@epilanthanomai anybody developing bespoke enterprise software is going to be looking to minimize change as much as possible or else be out of a job. it’s only with non-bespoke solutions trying to gain new adopters where “flashy new features” looks attractive.

developers of bespoke solutions might still be crunching against deadlines and produce subpar work as a result, but those deadlines are being set by administration (of the enterprise they are building solutions for), not by the technical workers/teams/departments/organizations themselves. which is different. if somebody hires you to build something in five weeks, they get what they pay for. and those somebodies aren’t tech companies, but libraries, hospitals, schools, and government offices.

@akjcv i don't think you DO have to say “make art with intention”. i think what you need to say is “learn how to recognize intention within art”. A·I art is only compelling because art criticism has languished, and the vocabulary for talking about why webcomics are compelling (in a way A·I can’t capture) won’t come from an analysis of their technical features. it will come from learning the language of webcomics and understanding why A·I doesn’t (and can’t) speak it.

but this isn’t just true of webcomics. A·I doesn’t (and can’t) speak ANY language. we mostly don’t need to teach people how to recognize A·I writing because it’s kind of obvious. we don't need to say things like “write large paragraphs with long, complex sentences because A·I is fundamentally bad at maintaining a consistent thread thru them”, even tho that may be true. it’s kind of beside the point

so why are we saying things like that about visual art?

@akjcv the entire webcomic era was low-resolution images with messy lines. and yet i have never seen an A·I produce a coherent webcomic. so your original claim warrants further investigation.

@akjcv sure, it is interesting from an art history perspective, but i’m kind of biased in terms of like, what we do with that

like, “due to the presence of A·I generated visual media and its perceived tackiness, artistic styles and techniques which reminded viewers of A·I fell out of favour, while artistic styles which did not resemble A·I output became trendy” is an interesting statement. there’s a lot to unpack there.

but i also think it’s bad. it IS a reduction in our artistic space and a cheapening of art to value it based on whether it “looks like” a certain kind of generated visual media instead of judging it on its own merits. and in particular: clean lines and high resolutions are labour-intensive and difficult to produce. it’s hurting a lot of artists if we assign a lot of value to that.

i’m not saying you ARE assigning value in this way, but it’s the inevitable endpoint in a society which DOES assign value to artwork based on these factors. and i wonder if it is necessary. there are other things generated art is bad at: semantic coherence; intentional artistic decisions; communication of sentiment. why are we indexing on the technical aspects of the artwork and not these human- and art-oriented things? isn’t that kind of playing the game by A·I’s rules instead of our own?

@akjcv idk, i think the biggest thing is just to create art which is intentional

@alyssa rhythm thief and the emperor's treasure; pokémon firered version; pokémon mystery dungeon explorers of sky; legend of zelda spirit tracks; fire emblem echoes shadows of valentia

@Satsuma @aescling @aschmitz i mean it was actually about how ugly this one Philadelphia Eagles Dominick the Donkey sweater was

@aschmitz @aescling we were literally talking about this today lmao cc @Satsuma

@aescling “do they know it’s christmas?” and hopefully it is self evident

@idlestate it’s definitely a bit complicated, while also in other ways simple. i grew up in Moses Lake, whose agriculture comes from the Columbia Basin Irrigation Project, which yes was a public works project coming off of the Great Depression which had been planned for a while. but Moses Lake is on the map today largely because it has one of the longest runways in the United States, which was built (as i understand) because they wanted an army air base which was closer to Boeing but far enough inland as to not be a target for Japan. (Boeing still tests and repairs all their planes there once they leave Everett, including experimental military planes.)

@idlestate yeah they try to sell the dams as this thing done for purely economic and business reasons when the real reason was aluminum manufacturing for World War II and other military pursuits