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@wallhackio you also favourited it so sending real mixed messages here

@wallhackio i quite like “feel it” also

@wallhackio its not boring

@noracodes i mean, i think it’s a baseline in the same way that marx thought liberalism was a necessary baseline from which communism would develop. absolutely, we would not be having this conversation if the free software movement had never happened. but also, it wasn’t the liberal countries which actually achieved communism first. it was the countries which liberalism was unable to serve.

@packetcat @noracodes do they support ALAC yet lol

@noracodes you refocusing this from a conversation about networked infrastructure to a conversation about choice of browser application used to access that infrastructure is exactly the kind of missing the point that FLOSS has been doing for decades

@noracodes firefox / chrome isn’t why the web is full of bloat though. the web is full of bloat because no amount of free software can let you influence what somebody else's server sends you, or what requirements they put on letting you access their systems. (free software actually just lets somebody else's server send you even MORE code you don't want to run, because they don’t even have to write it themselves.) no amount of licensing can fix this. software projects built entirely around the four freedoms have no answer to this problem, and largely do not even recognize it AS a problem, or pretend that if you are running an open source browser, that somehow gives you power over what is happening on corporations’ servers. it doesn’t.

software CANNOT replace infrastructure and the free software movement has had ZERO interest in providing well-funded, reliable, maintained network infrastructure for everyday people. instead it is obsessed with an egocentric, libertarian model which concerns itself only with individuals and what they can self-host and what rights they have regarding their own machines.

@aescling “i guess kitty’s a basic suburbanite after all”

@noracodes this said i think ed is a lot less focused on hardware and operating system software and a lot more on the Internet and Web

FLOSS, FSF, GNU, etc have historically been abysmal at the web. they haven’t had good ideas and they haven’t had successful projects. if the internet was good, the fact you were accessing it thru a shitty version of Windows on a shitty laptop wouldn’t matter, because the internet is designed to scale down to be accessible on even the slowest and worst hardware. that isn’t the case and nothing out of FLOSS has come close to changing that

@noracodes are today’s shitty laptops actually worse than the shitty netbook we put linux on for my dad in 2010? because i kind of doubt it

@aescling eggman-ass vehicle