@Satsuma it’s a Mutant Standard emoji and i haven’t added any Mutant Standard emoji yet
@Satsuma « were you born with (or developed naturally in puberty) genitals, reproductive organs, and/or chromosomal patterns that do not fit standard definitions of male or female » if anyone answers something other than “Yes” or “Unsure” for this i have Questions
@Satsuma it gives differing results for “how many ace people are nonbinary” depending on whether they analyse B1 or B3 which makes me wonder why they included it in both places i mean really they were asking for this
@Satsuma because it’s blatantly contradictory?
@Satsuma will they get mad if i select Non‐binary in « B1. Which (if any) of the following words would you use to describe your gender identity? » but then answer No for « B3. Do you identify as non-binary or consider yourself to be part of the non-binary umbrella? »
@Satsuma why do they have a separate field for specifying race in your own words but not gender
@Satsuma yeah but not like, places that actually care
@Satsuma yeah i mean i expected they do
@Satsuma Non‐religious and then be more specific by specifying secular Catholic later??
@Satsuma I identify as Catholic but not Christian how do i fill out the religious demographic information
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@platypus he’s definitely intended to be read as a symbol of gluttony, but his fatness seemed almost incidental to me. if i had to critique their handling of him, it would be more from a disability approach (regarding his anti‐gravity / mobility aids), which is played for sinister value far more than his body shape imo
(very long) history of the relationship between queerness and medical science
@ghost_bird yes, so it’s a bit complicated! in the 18th and 19th century, a major goal of science was essentially, like you say, positioning white people (and particularly white men) as “most/highest evolved”, in order to justify their continued colonialism of other peoples and lands; consequently, it was necessary to figure other bodies as lacking or less‐developed in various ways.
HOWEVER, with respect to gender and sexuality in particular, this required a denial of sorts, since scientists of this time included the gender binary as a marker of being “well‐evolved”. this resulted in a fundamental assumption that any gender variance within white people was a result of degeneracy “from the outside” and not endemic to white people themselves. so you would have queerness frequently being racialized as other, and consequently outside of the scope of white medicine.
this didn’t REALLY start to change until around the turn of the 20th century, when scientists started refiguring queerness in terms of mental illness, and importantly, a mental illness which it might be possible to “cure”—the white queer no longer was someone outside the scope of white medicine, but rather someone who it might be possible to “recondition” for participation in productive white society. AT THIS TIME, gender and sexuality were still largely conflated, and one theory was that homosexuality was the result of a sexual “inversion”, which we might think of as transness.
gender and sexuality wouldn’t really be split in a medical sense for another half‐century, when white gay men… basically threw trans people under the bus by saying “sexuality is a personal choice unrelated to gender; we are perfectly capable of upholding normative masculine gender norms and being a part of productive (white) male society”. by splitting up gender and sexuality, white gay men were able to align themselves with the white cis male norm and code themselves as productive and healthy (unlike transsexuals, who were still pathologized/Other). this culminated in homosexuality being removed from, for example, the DSM, in the 70s.
so this is why “mid twentieth century” is the date cited here. prior to that point, gender and sexuality were not distinct concepts, and they were only recently considered within the scope of white medicine AT ALL. but that all derives from the same notions of medicine you discuss as happening in centuries prior.
as for my initial critique, many of these changes (the splitting of gender and sexuality; the splitting of gender and sex—these are two VERY DIFFERENT models of gender btw) were the direct result of agitations BY AND WITHIN gay male (in the former case) or feminist (in the latter case) theorists/activists/people. so treating them as independent inventions of science feels, to me, to be disguising their real roots.
(for more on this subject, I would recommend the book “Imagining Transgender” by David Valentine.)
@astraluma the unfortunate truth of art is that anyone can get good at it if they put in enough time, even bigots
@ghost_bird the idea that gender has always been defined in reference to some abled norm is one i find a little troublesome. certainly that was the impetus for its inclusion in medicine, but that inclusion follows upon, rather than generates, the split between gender and sex which was already happening in feminist circles (starting with The Second Sex in 1949; “gender identity” was not coined until 1964). THAT split was politically motivated, aimed not at trans people at all, but rather at understanding how “womanhood” came to be constructed as an oppressed class (and how it might be constructed differently): if the woman/man binary is not equivalent to the female/male binary, then we can more easily imagine a world free of woman/man, even as biology constrains us to female/male (the latter has since been problematized).
so while the article accuses those who paint gender as nonpathological of being ahistoric, i return those claims: by positing gender as an normalizing invention on the part of medical professionals, it ahistorically erases its more radical and political roots.
@ghost_bird Right to Maim is definitely thought-provoking; in particular Puar talks about how trans bodies are explicitly excluded from disability accommodations in the Americans with Disabilities Act (if I remember right, as a compromise for covering AIDS), and she introduces a concept of “piecing” as a neoliberal alternative to “passing” (where “proper” trans bodies are those who are able to correctly piece together identities through their purchasing decisions in a neoliberal market)
@ghost_bird if this topic interests you, you should read “The Right To Maim” by Jasbir Puar, or maybe just my “Fuck Pride | Folks Died | 2019” here: https://www.u2764.com/NFIC/2019-06-24/pride19/ (activate Reader View if you find this difficult to read)
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