@bea well i would do that but
@Satsuma knowing the song that tells of the bananas is more important than actually knowing about the bananas
@SportsGoblin i PROBABLY hate the cowboys more but it’s close
@SportsGoblin (i also don’t think buffalo is actually comparable to NYC but i don’t actually have any interest in defending buffalo, lol)
(i’d probably place them above the New England Patriots in my reckoning tho)
@SportsGoblin at least they actually play their games in new york state
re: critique of critiques of princess narratives
@Satsuma @aschmitz see they wanted the rescuer to NOT be a prince specifically for the “alliance with the proletariat” vibes; instead it is Rapunzel being a princess which is more or less irrelevant to the plot (well, a metaphor for her being a queerdo)
you’d have to watch it; they use it quite well i think
re: critique of critiques of princess narratives
@aschmitz (in Tangled’s case specifically it isn’t; the protagonist is stolen away as a young child so the mother who raised her is not actually her biological mother, who she mostly doesn’t know; yes you could argue this ultimately reinforces biological ties.) in the general case, i do agree with you and think that the dual role of the princess as someone who is both close to the monarchy and consistently rendered powerless by it is a large part of why those stories are compelling. the question then is how do you respond in that situation? do you go along with the disenfranchisement because eventually one day you will be queen, or do you stand up for yourself/others? and i think stories virtually never go with the first option; they’re a lot more subversive than people think
re: critique of critiques of princess narratives
@aschmitz i agree with this, but as to your parenthetical, not necessarily, but i think even children understand that the monarchy is a literary trope and not to be taken literally
for example Tangled is the story of a girl who is happily complacent in (metaphor for suburbia) until she goes out and sees the world and realizes that her parental figure was lying to her about the dangers of (metaphor for urbanity). the girl also happens to be a lost princess and also happens to be reunited with the monarchy at the end of the story without critique. the story could have been written without that bit, but i’m not convinced it would actually have been any better at getting across what it was trying to convey; “your real family might wind up being something different than the family that raised you” is a salient message and the “lost princess”/monarchistic trappings make this very straightforward to convey. notably, the story ends before the protagonist is ever properly in a position of real power, so the situation remains firmly hypothetical (which is characteristic for these stories; you never see princesses actually wielding state power because their role is firmly metaphorical)
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