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@monorail @witchfynder_finder like the whole implied deal is the Red Gyarados stuff happened and Rowan who studies pokémon forms was like damnb i gotta get on that

@monorail @witchfynder_finder oh yeah in DPPt Rowan is explicitly just coming back from a trip to Johto to discuss forms and evolution with Elm and Oak

@witchfynder_finder Elm is all like "it's amazing!! we have recently discovered pokémon fuck maybe?!"

@witchfynder_finder remember how before the 90s people didn't even know pokémon laid eggs

@witchfynder_finder i mean i think the actual pokémon lore stance is that every game is an AU of every other game and they have actively exploited this in the past with like, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire very explicitly taking place in an alternate universe from the original Ruby and Sapphire

so like the handwave is "i suppose in this universe, instead of living in Sinnoh, Dialga is chilling in a cave in Galar" :P

but i also don't think the lore is supposed to be consistent. if there's one common thread between all the pokémon games it's that humans want to understand pokémon and also extremely do not. they're supposed to be mysteries

@witchfynder_finder i mean the most obvious case is the fact that the legendary birds have galarian forms, so like, gotta be multiple of those

but i'm pretty sure there are at least multiple suicune in the anime (which contradicts the legend of the legendary beasts i feel); there definitely are multiple mewtwo (which is weird); there are both shiny and non-shiny celebi

because a lot of the legendaries have a big focus in the movies and then maybe crop up once or twice elsewhere it’s kinda hard to say whether it’s the same pokémon or not in a lot of other cases

as far as the games are concerned, i mean, you can catch most of the legendaries from other regions in galar, so like, either that isn't canon or there are a few of them

@witchfynder_finder if you do want a canon take, at this point both the anime and the games have pretty much established that multiple of at least some of the legendaries exist so like, science is right and folklore is wrong

but despite being complicated by science pokémon still places a lot of value and importance on those sorts of traditional knowledges and i don't think it's entirely right to just dismiss them either

@witchfynder_finder oh i agree, i mean pokémon is a weird thing because like it exists in a world which never really had the Enlightenment and went on doing science without throwing out all existing folklore first, PLUS it maintains this twin perspectives of on the one hand, pokémon created the earth and the universe and land and seas and everything, BUT on the other hand pokémon came from space (and thus could not have created the world) and all descended from Mew (not Arceus or whatever)

pokémon media is generally very careful not to adjudicate too strongly between these perspectives and i think fans shouldn't either

@witchfynder_finder “It hurt itself in its confusion!” would sound so fucking weird with gendered pronouns i’m just saying

@witchfynder_finder yes

@noelle like the kernel of truth here is that increasing pay in an attempt to lock people into shitty working conditions is a terrible arrangement and people are tired of it, and what you need to do instead is just improve working conditions (which can only really be done properly if said people have formed a union…)

and then they just completely missed the ball on what “improving working conditions” might mean (less work, more breaks, good management, PTO)

@noelle i mean it’s true, people will not leave due to pay reasons if they can’t make more anywhere else, but they also aren’t leaving for a lack of ping-pong tables