@coriander one thing which might help shed some light on this is that sports and heavy metal are orthopraxy religions, not orthodoxy religions (and protestants consider the former to be pagan nonsense, so we don’t have many good examples of them in the U·S)
@coriander i’m 95% confident that religious studies doctorates would be entirely on board with you saying heavy metal is your religion
@coriander i never want to recall anything i do on a computer
@aescling @coriander tl;dr capitalism doesn’t optimize for unemployment, it optimizes for employing the most people in the least fulfilling way possible
@aescling @coriander (the companies who build AI might be fine with you typing “make money” and getting money so long as they get a cut, but it’s important to recognize that even in this case “typing ‘make money’” is just the menial task you are being employed to do)
@aescling @coriander the whole idea behind Microsoft Copilot is to make work which happens on a computer accessible to people without training or experience, so companies can hire people without training or experience
it’s being used to eliminate some positions entirely, sure (get rid of secretary who writes your emails by having computer write your emails), but no CEO wants you to just be able to type “make money” into a computer and get money, because that weakens their own position
they want making money to be restricted to people like themselves, who have the resources to employ others in menial tasks, while preventing the people engaged in those tasks from having any connection with the value created by their labour
@aescling @coriander execs do not want to have to do everything themselves, they just want to be able to hire unskilled workers to do tasks which formerly required skilled workers, because it means the workers lose their bargaining powrr
@aescling @coriander no, the hope is to make human labour more replaceable (not the same thing)
@coriander well, really the reason why it’s getting shoved in everywhere is because we have monopolistic and value-extractive tech companies who don’t have to actually please customers to sell product
@coriander but what if they add an ice level
apparently the answer if you want to limit yourself to v6 in theory is to do the same thing but tarball the temporary file with pax and then read out the modified time in list mode with -o 'listopt=%(mtime=%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%SZ)T'
if you want to limit yourself to v6 in practice (nobody actually implements listopt), same thing but manually parse the tarball
if you were wondering, apparently the answer is
if test ! -f build/.mtime; then printf '%b' '\n' > build/.mtime; fi; touch -r "$FILE" build/.mtime; TZ=UTC0 diff -u build/.mtime /dev/null | sed '1!d;s/.*\t\([^ ]\) \([^ ]\).*/\1T\2Z/'
(replacing \t with a tab character)
BUT this requires version 7 of POSIX
BUT it should still work in e·g Macintosh even tho they’re not strictly conformant
“chatgpt how to get the last modified time of a file using only posix commandline utilities”
how much you wanna bet ChatGPT is trained on GNU utilities and the things it suggest do something entirely different on BSD‐based platforms like macOS
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