@Eden@weirder.earth @distel so what i’m saying is “The very subject of women is no longer understood in stable or abiding terms” is, on the one hand, an acknowledgment of all the great strides that feminists and academics have made in problematizing and complicating and deepening our understanding of gender and womanhood, but, on the other hand, can and should be read as a real moment of crisis, shall we say “gender trouble”, for womens studies departments everywhere, who now do not even really know what subject they are nominally studying
it's a lot of meaning in a very short phrase and the fact that it means both is kind of the point Butler is making
@Eden@weirder.earth @distel yes, the other thing to note is that womens studies programs are at this time only a few decades old. prior to that point, the people in academia who were writing about women were predominantly men articulating a model of femininity which was primarily not feminist or even grounded in actual women’s experiences. womens studies programmes were invented to combat this problem, and butler is acknowledging that they have been successful in contesting it, but in so doing they have also, in a way, been contesting themselves (how can you have womens studies when the very concept of woman is problematic?)
now many of those programmes have changed their names to things like “gender studies” which i think is attributable a great deal to Gender Trouble
@Eden@weirder.earth @distel (i should also respond here that butler is likely also obliquely referencing critiques from nonwhite women, in particular Black women, against second-wave feminism’s portrayal of womanhood as simply white womanhood. not only is “woman” no longer understood to be stable, it isn’t even singular; c.f. “womanism” (look it up on Wikipedia)
@Eden@weirder.earth @distel and Butler is doing this as a vital energy from a DFAB person who has felt alienated from contemporary feminism on the basis of gender things
@Eden@weirder.earth @distel having not actually read it, take this analysis with a grain of salt, but my understanding of Gender Trouble is that Butler is speaking to a feminism which is unsure to what extent it should give a shit about gender (over/alongside sex), and saying (1) you should absolutely give a shit about gender, and (2) sex is not the bastion you thought it was
@Eden@weirder.earth @distel as a note, when TERFs speak out “against gender” it is precisely because of this instability; they want to ground feminism in what they see as the material realities of sex rather than gender, which they see as nebulous, unreal, and ill-defined
@Eden@weirder.earth @distel the works that termed woman with a stable definition would be all of white male philosophy since Plato; c.f. in particular the notion of the “Eternal Feminine” (look it up on Wikipedia)
the work which first challenged that definition would probably be “The Second Sex” by Simone du Beauvoir, which made the case that if womanness were inherent, a DFAB person acting “unwomanly” would be paradoxical. DFAB people are called unwomanly all the time, ergo womanhood is not inherent to “the female sex”, ergo the destabilizing of the concept of “woman” and what is popularly termed the sex/gender split of second-wave feminism
(Butler will go on to complicate the idea that sex is a stable category either, but it is taken as generally understood at this point that gender isn’t. “Stable” here can be read as “natural” or “biological” because anything which is socially-constructed necessarily will change with society.)
@aescling on side A, the fact that samus has a dick was probably not a source of gender trauma for her as a child, because she was raised by birds (who would not care)
on side B, birds don't have dicks
@aescling what
@witchfynder_finder plus everybody already knows you're bi just from the fact you're wearing converse, so
« Incels reject accepted understandings of hierarchies of oppression (Sidanius and Pratto, 1999), instead arguing that society is fundamentally hierarchised along sex and attractiveness lines, which favour women and exclude typically unattractive men from romantic or sexual relationships (Baele, et al., 2021). » man i feel like i saw this exact take on this social media site
@aescling it indeed was not lmao
@Eden@weirder.earth @distel i haven't read Gender Trouble (yet) but do have a degree in gender studies and probably could shed light on what it means (we usually just read more contemporary Butler)
normally i would not bother making these posts but i have already seen like two discourse threads on this topic and it’s only the fourth y’all
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