@Satsuma i wonder if that is common and whether the LDS church like, even cares, since i don't think they have much of a Marian theology?
@Satsuma oookay so after doing more research Mormons believe God the Father has a wife, and some believe that the spirits of humans are their literal children, as a result of fucking, and that Jesus was God’s firstborn through this method
however the Heavenly Mother is not Mary, who, presumably, would also be a child of God
@Satsuma yeah the mormon encyclopedia cites both the bible and mormon prophets identifying Mary as a virgin (the latter are presumably less ambiguous)
i don’t think it’s really a theological focus though
The Rise of Kyoshi
« Jianzhu had once implemented a policy that any member of the staff, no matter how lowly, could talk to him personally about any household concern. Kyoshi saw the gesture of kindness devolve into some of the servants ratting each other out over minor grievances, hoping to curry favor. She knew now that had been his intent all along. »
@aescling yeah nobody does but that's partially because there aren't any homepages to USE anymore
@Satsuma it’s not uncommon for people to think this; the bible mentions “brothers of jesus” and some people interpret this as biological brothers via Mary and Joseph (although Catholics do not)
@Satsuma the mormon line seems to be that mary was a virgin at time of birthing jesus but not a virgin perpetually
@Satsuma look i’m not particularly strong on the whole “virgin mary” thing but for the record i do NOT think this qualifies
@aescling as someone who has studied higher math, it is a failure of both
it is true that if you understand math as axiomatic and understand that the axioms you choose determine the possibilities of the system, a whole world of nuance opens up
but mathematics is still characterized—perhaps solely characterized—by its persistent divorcement of those axioms from any significatory power beyond their mere logical outcomes
anything else is, at the very best, “applied”
« We know that pencils, oil paints and brushes are 'just tools.' And yet, we appreciate that the artist's encounter with his or her tools is close and relational. It may shut people out, temporarily, but the work itself can bring one closer to oneself, and ultimately to others. In the right settings, people develop relationships with computers that feel artistic and personal. And yet, for most people, and certainly for the women I studied, this was rare. When they began to approach the computer in their own style, they got their wrists slapped, and were told that they were not doing things 'right.'
When this happens, many people drop out. »
« Lisa reacted with irritation when her high school teachers tried to get her interested in mathematics by calling it a language. 'People were always yakking at me about how math is a language—it's got punctuation marks and all that stuff. I thought they were fools and I told them so. I told them that if only it were a language, if only it had some nuance, then perhaps I could relate to it.' »
« In ‘In A Different Voice’, Carol Gilligan talks about 'the hierarchy and the web' as metaphors to describe the different ways in which men and women see their worlds. Men see a hierarchy of autonomous positions. Women see a web of interconnections between people. »
i do not in any way, shape, or form recommend you investigate this piece by Carol Gilligan; however, devoid of context i quite like this (anachronistic; this predates it) framing of The Web as Feminine in relation to the Masculine file system
« First, insisting that the computer is just a tool is a defense against the experience of the computer as the opposite, as an intimate machine. It is a way to say that it is not appropriate to have a close relationship with a machine. Computers with their plasticity and malleability are compelling media. They have a psychological 'holding power.' Women use their rejection of computer holding power to assert something about themselves as women. Being a woman is opposed to a compelling relationship with a thing that shuts people out. »
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