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the year is 2021 and what we really need is another release of Camino browser

@hoppet @witchfynder_finder is this post in german

why tummboler load imges so sloue

cow emoji for “i’m chewing it over”

@Satsuma i respect it lol

@Satsuma i feel like you probably have both much more experience and much stronger opinions regarding the writing in history textbooks lol

@Satsuma ah, i might chalk that up to just ambiguous language; i think they meant “was” to demonstrate the feelings of people at the time (who?) and not contemporary views on the matter

they should have said like, “The resulting period, called the Babylonian Captivity by its detractors, was widely criticized…”

@Satsuma i could understand it if it was like “the author got tired of spelling Avignon and wanted a slightly spicier heading”

@Satsuma okay nvm that is weird then

@Satsuma wait do you mean to say they are *exclusively* calling it the Babylonian Captivity?!

@Satsuma in my experience people who work regularly in given fields (the sort who might be writing textbooks) often get desensitized to the political nature of the terms they use, and such language usually only gets dropped after someone writes a scathing enough critique in a peer‐reviewed journal that enough of them read

maybe this is overly cynical of me

@Satsuma (my point here just being that it appears to be a metaphor with long historical precedent and it’s possible (?) they simply didn’t think too hard about it?)

@Satsuma per Wikipedia, « The period has been called the "Babylonian captivity" of the popes. When and where this term originated is uncertain although it may have sprung from Petrarch, who in a letter to a friend (1340–1353) written during his stay at Avignon, described Avignon of that time as the "Babylon of the west", referring to the worldly practices of the church hierarchy.[26] The nickname is polemical, in referring to the claim by critics that the prosperity of the church at that time was accompanied by a profound compromise of the papacy's spiritual integrity, especially in the alleged subordination of the powers of the Church to the ambitions of the French kings. As noted, the "captivity" of the popes at Avignon lasted about the same amount of time as the exile of the Jews in Babylon, making the analogy convenient and rhetorically potent. The Avignon papacy has been and is often today depicted as being totally dependent on the French kings, and sometimes as even being treacherous to its spiritual role and its heritage in Rome. »

@Satsuma i don’t think i’ve ever really seen someone take a stance in support of it