@Satsuma @Lady that was my reaction

then i was wondering if the idea is that she does a lot of athletics and like, rides motorbikes. but i still wouldn't call her butch in the slightest

@aescling @Satsuma “Bowser, you BUCKETHEAD! Put up your DUKES!”

@aescling @Lady thats dyke behavior

@aescling @Satsuma i’m just saying that despite her commitment to high femme aesthetic in royal proceedings i haven’t seen much evidence that Peach actually looks or acts the part of a woman

it looks a lot more like drag to be honest

@aescling @Satsuma like if peach was AMAB people would call her a drag queen not a trans woman and i rest my case

@Lady @Satsuma i don't think i would call that "butch" though

@aescling @Lady seeing as how there are both butch trans women and butch drag queens i’m inclined to think which one more closely resembles an amab peach doesn’t necessarily tell you if peach is butch or not

@Satsuma @aescling (1) a claim about the actual diversity of the drag scene does not invalidate a claim about common perceptions and labels in the vernacular re: (femme-presenting) drag queens and trans women and the general, broadly recognized distinctions between them; (2) “butch trans women” clearly betokens the fact that you are using butch in a different way than i am, since my whole argument is that Peach’s butchness is a product of her lack of womanhood. the existence of butches who are also women is irrelevant to this point. a proper counterargument would instead focus on the existence of fem queens who are also trans women, problematizing the distinction between the two, but again see (1)

@Satsuma @aescling my point is that most actual fem queens present realness instead of getting up in drags, and Peach is clearly up in drags and not even attempting to presenting realness. this suggests To Me she is a butch queen not a fem queen, even and especially considering her general other passions and interests

compare Princess Daisy, who is tomboyish but DOES present realness and is probably just a basic-ass vanilla sporty white girl

@Satsuma @aescling also i think both interpretations are valid i just think one is a lot more interesting than the other and also way hotter

@aescling @Satsuma

@Lady @Satsuma that's one way of describing how her characterization in the mario movie felt so wrong