Advent of Clod @wallhackio@cat.family

the catwins are fighting

@aescling communication hard

@aescling ok i realize now that the fundamental thing you're saying is that it is better overall not to chase the marth because it adds unnecessary risk. because it's an extremely strong position if you don't chase the marth. which is probably right

i was saying that the situation still overall favors the falcon when you chase the marth. which might be true. even if it were, i would probably agree that it is not as favorable as landing back on stage and playing the edgeguard in a more standard way

so there's some confusion in language here because when you said it was bad you meant it was suboptimal, like in chess when a play turns a +12 position into a +6. i thought you meant it became a negative situation for falcon

@aescling although, then again, i could be mistaken at how forgiving the hitbox for upb landing is in melee. which would change my calculus here a lot if its more finnicky that i think it is

@aescling im not saying that landing back down and playing the situation "normally" is wrong but the marth was in a compromising position even if you chase the marth down

@aescling if you delay by five frames from when the video upB was executed it would still hit

@aescling but upb goes high and if the marth swats to early you get the marth

@aescling what are the implications of this?

@aescling what do you mean by that?

@aescling but the falcon has all sorts of time to choose when to attack. the falcon doesn't have to upb immediately. the falcon could wait a bit and upb. unless you feel you could consistently react to the animation then you're specifically reading the timing that the falcon will upB and if you're wrong, you die

@monorail fuck yeah

@monorail good morning holly glaceon. also go to bed

@aescling @monorail @The_T its only somewhat reliable to hit with the fair if the falcon is going to hit you asap and you read this. if you're wrong you die. how is this difficult to understand

@aescling @monorail @The_T cat you either win the game or get a soft reset that still favors you how is that not a good situation for the falcon

@aescling @monorail @The_T cat you've played marth in melee, brawl and ultimate. marth's fair is not an active hitbox. you have to be particular in where you're hitting it and timing it to land it. it is not an easy thing to hit someone consistently with fair in disadvantage, you have to get the timing just right especially if they're below you. its not as simple as "just fair lol" for the marth

@aescling @monorail @The_T are you dismissing the argument entirely?

@aescling @monorail @The_T three outcomes:
1) you hit the fair and the falcon returns to stage. we have a soft reset
2) you whiff the fair and die
3) you have a weird trade and probably die

this is a good situation for falcon

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