yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
come to nobody's surprise that condensing a 3-part comic storyline that spans decades into an 80+ minute movie means that a lot of material will be cut and changed to meet the demands of the runtime AND make the story less serialized
this is an interesting comment because the comic in the first place struggled very hard with the number of things it wanted to do in the amount of space it had, so it dealt with a lot through Superman narrating the comic in retrospect and dealing with many of its conflicts in very abstract ways. if i were to adapt the comic, i would think about how i’d have an opportunity to fill things in and make it more concrete, or at least less rushed, which i do think the movie actually managed to some recurrent. though the skill in execution throughout was decidedly lost
yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
But the fight scenes were cool,
they are decidedly different; the comic’s approach to fights was to end them immediately (with some interesting exceptions) to emphasize how much more powerful Superman is than everybody else (with a particular exception highlighting how someone’s actually gotten the upper hand on him for once). thonestly i wonder how much of that is a byproduct of the fact that the story had to be heavily condensed to fit the space DC gave to the comic the voice acting was decent, and the anim; even if so i thought it worked well for the story
by making the action Cooler and generally longer i think the movie really lost this. i would say they didn’t get what the fights were saying, but then again they just outright didn’t care about preserving what the comic had to say and just did their own thing. which, theoretically, is good, because the comic had very little of value to actually say. the movie does not make good use of this opportunity
[…] and the animation, while not great, kept the same basic spirit of the comic art.
DISAGREE. much of the best ideas in the comic are its visuals (which are unfortunately still tied to the utterly inane and incurious things the comic has to say but) and the movie throws out so much imagery that is either storytelling in some way, or at the very least, damn cool
yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
i really want to find somebody who will actually talk concretely about what the end of the comic is actually saying, because it sure does something, introducing an extremely ironic twist (for what reason? i don’t yet understand what the twist Says?), but people would just rather praise it for being Nuanced or some nonspecific shit
(the movie’s ending is less interesting and somewhat less silly (though still, very silly, and far too optimistic about the role of the US in the world lol, but))
yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
wild how people think the movie’s adaptation of Wonder Woman (which SURE IS SOMETHING) is “feminist propaganda” when the comic being adapted from is like, ALMOST kinda literally just radfem (i say almost because while VERY cynical about men in power, it moderates that cynicism by the end) but
like literally in the comic Lois Lane recruits Wonder Woman to fight Superman by leveraging their shared frustration with the powerful men in their lives
yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
That glass globe scene was just amazing. The way it showed the light to Superman and opening him to another point of view literally made me shiver. To be able to change one's mind who was so used to a way of thinking (and you know how hard that is) in a way that didn't need punching and bone breaking- just words was lit- genius. I loved it, and I hope I get to emulate the quiet, serene scene in any future story I'll be able to ever tell.
ok. sure.
yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
side point but i just keep thinking about how embarrassing it is that the comics industry hails Red Son (the comic) so much. besides how great (some of) the drawing are but like. capitalist hegemony is really something.
yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
It’s a great splash page, but I’m not really crazy about the costume: there’s too much blue. I get it, they wanted it to look a lot like the original. I would think it would be Soviet Army green, but then again, according the dialogue, he wasn’t a soldier. Yellow would have been too gaudy, and black would have made him look evil. But he’s Stalinist Superman, so he should at least look evil.
lmao
yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
Do any of the political ideas in the comic even make sense? Superman is a communist because he keeps track of all of the economy, but Luthor’s economic plan once he became president gives the government control over every dollar… when the government has control over all of the economy, that’s called communism. So how is the story a capitalism Vs. communist thing?
“socialism is when the government does stuff. the more stuff it does, the more socialist it is. and if it does a whole lot of stuff, that’s communism.”
yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
It's expressly stated near the end that "Luthorism" actually uses some of Superman's economic ideas. Of course, that makes it something of a "third way" between capitalism and communism. Historically that implies some form of fascism, which is a different problem entirely with the story's politics.
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yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
The main reason why communism is terrible is that you are stuck with the same leader, regardless if they are good or bad, and since Superman is immortal, he is going to be in office for a while.
yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
Luthor has established a meritocratic geniocracy where one's place in society is rewarded by talent and intellect, with himself in charge of course because he is the most talented and intelligent human to have ever lived. Basically both are fair, but only Superman's world is equal. One wonders what life is like in Luthorville if you DON'T have stupendous amounts of drive and ability (it might be alright, but it's definitely not as good as if you are part of his elite).
there is no textual support for this position in the comic whatsoever beyond the fact that Luthor is an egotistical shit raising the standard of living for the people of the US for no other reason than to Beat Superman. and that like, Luthor is ludicrously Intelligent. but anyway though there is no explicit statement that his governance dishes out material support in accordance with Merit lol. this dude’s just making shit up
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The Soviet Inion favored Lamarckism over Darwinism and lost harvests because of it, just because they didn’t like that nothing you gain in life can be passed on genetically.
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yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
@aescling feel like Marxism does have an opinion, and it's “to each according to need; from each according to ability”
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@Lady oh, right,
yr cat looks up what randos on the internet had to say about Superman: Red Son and its bad movie adaptation
i don’t think Marxism actually has any explicit opinion on this, actually. anyway in the comic Superman’s ambivalence was largely out of the fact that he was an alien to the USSR (never mind that, as i understand things, Soviet democratic forms did not care where you Came From so long as you are working there now, but)