@greyor oh wow municipal fiber sounds great! And yeah those are p much my thoughts on the bill as well

@Satsuma yeah more and more places are doing it, especially in Colorado. We just had a couple more cities approve it on ballot initiatives. It is a great thing because fuck Comcast!

Yeah. I would love to be carless, for example, but the area is spread out and bus service isn't 100% here (though it's improving all the time). Hoping to live downtown at some point so I can bike easily to work whenever.

@greyor public transit is juuuuust good enough that i’ve been able to get away with being carless but it definitely requires me being willing to spend more time than drivers spend, and occasional lyft/favor from friends with cars

@Satsuma I miss those days in San Francisco of not having a car! Yeah, it takes time and strategy, but trip planning has gotten so much easier over the years at least. Yeah, I remember using Zipcar and such occasionally too. Then I moved to FL and having no car wasn't really a great option (though campus buses were pretty great).

I always liked reading or music on buses/light rail. We did that in Denver this weekend and it was great.

@greyor yeah I get so much leisure reading done on buses and trains! Especially for longer trips, I would hate to have to stare at the road for hours, when I could be doing something else instead