@Satsuma i think the advantages to enabling folk organization and categorization of fannish content FAR outweigh the negatives

the kind of actual harassment which could be performed via bookmarks or collections (beyond just like, “Joe’s Archive of Boring Fics, which is not harassment, just uninspired criticism, and can be safely ignored by fic authors [who aren’t even notified about bookmarks anyway]) is sufficiently difficult enough to pull off to be rare and falls easily under “abusing the service for things the service is not meant for”. there is still a need for moderation there, but no differently than someone just putting that same content in a fic and publishing it?

@Satsuma like comment harassment is a problem because you get an email, it is attached to the bottom of your fic, it interferes with your communication with other readers, etc

none of that is true of bookmarks. i do think fic authors probably should be able to remove their fics from another user’s bookmarks / block them from bookmarking their works, but that seems like a relatively simple thing to implement compared with [everything else]

@Lady yeah which is basically my main concern with this proposed solution — it doesn’t actually successfully eliminate the need for moderation bc any site with user generated content inherently requires moderation. And the primarily issue at stake is that Ao3 has consistently failed to moderate its userbase

@Lady so basically my support for the proposal is contingent on Ao3 making an actual commitment to step up when it comes to things like moderating bookmarks & just wanting to reduce that moderation load to more manageable levels

@Satsuma whiiich is why i think having a single centralized archive is the wrong approach, and instead we should have federated (moderated) fansites which are built to be easily grouped / archived into (moderated) collections

@Satsuma like if every fansite was built so that the work Open Doors does could be easily automated, and fansite A could pull fansite B’s content and archive it trivially before fansite B closes its doors, do we really need an AO3? or can we get by with a network of fandom‐specific archives which pull from smaller, more closely moderated communities