this sounds petty but it is almost validating to me that some ultimate players these days don't think she's even high tier anymore. i adamantly believe she was never really that much better than marth and it's at least consistent to think both of them are not good

sometimes when her pontential is dowplayed it's phrased as her not really having cheese like the current meta does. which is kinda true, but i think her x-factor potential is a little bit slept on. shield breaker is really strong in ultimate and gives you conditioning fur free

the thing about marth compared to lucina is that the cheese factor is frankly kind of ludicrous while the fundamental strenghs are the same (disjointed character with overtuned shield safety and some very strong grounded movement purropurrties). i’ve killed caled off a stray down air on neutral below 30% because that links into tipper fsmash. and that shit is -9. not amazing but enough to be safe in many situations in many matchups. like come on