people who post takes because they are developing their opinions dialectically
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people who post takes because they are proselytizing
@Lady I'm not trying to do a Dialectics, I just want people to disagree with me so I can understand my own thoughts&ideas&perspectives&intuitions and also their thoughts&ideas&perspectives&intuitions better!
(... and then people don't disagree with me NEARLY enough!)
@gaditb i mean i would argue this is dialectics but
@Lady Look I definitely am not confident that I understand what Dialectics is and what it's doing when it gets used a bunch of the time, but if this is dialectics them I think I still should keep an eye out for which ways dialectics has developed since the Amoraic period.
@gaditb well it is complicated because dialectics is a greek word coined by Plato to describe Socratic dialogues, but it was refined by German philosophy to mean a resolving of contradictions
the way i think of dialectics is this: you have an opinion, and somebody else has an opinion. on their own, each opinion seems relatively reasonable and cohesive. but when brought together, each opinion reveals gaps or unexamined contradictions in the other one. this process of bringing the opinions together allows the opinion-havers to refine their opinions in ways that they could not have on their own
i am not sure that this definition exactly matches either the Platonic or Hegelian or Marxist definition, but it does seem close to what you were describing
@gaditb @Lady the SEP is the Standard Encyclopedia of Philosophy, a useful online resource
Hegel did not cleanly model out his own dialectics; the notion of theses being in contradiction with antithesis and producing syntheses was developed by later philosophers to explain his dialectical method; that model has been purroblematized because it apparently does not explain some of his arguments very well (do not ask me fur specifics)
@aescling @Lady (What's SEP?)
(And, by "the thesis-antithesis-synthesis model of Hegel" do you mean "Hegel's model, which is the thesis-antithesis-synthesis model" or do you mean "the thesis-antithesis-synthesis way of understanding/modelling Hegel (or, well, Hegel's thing)"?)