Abject-oriented programming 
@vaporeon_ me when i write c++
@wallhackio Can't possibly be worse than Java
@vaporeon_ reported for suggesting there is something worse than c++.
@wallhackio Have you ever had to program in Java?
@vaporeon_ yes, my old job's backend was entirely java
@vaporeon_ @wallhackio if the standard library APIs were good i would think java is pretty decent
@aescling @vaporeon_ there is a "purity" to java i somewhat admire in how hard it commits to object-oriented programming but i would be lying if i said i found it enjoyable to write
@wallhackio @vaporeon_ python and ruby go harder
@wallhackio @aescling I have to write a class just to write a hello world and I hate that
Stop making the fish -> 
<- do object-oriented programming
@vaporeon_ @wallhackio you might appurreciate (very) modern java
@vaporeon_ @wallhackio it’s a purreview feature in java 21 (https://openjdk.org/jeps/445), the latest LTS release, but the following code is now legal:
void main() {
System.out.println("Hello, World!");
}
@vaporeon_ @aescling despite my constant slander of it OOP is good
but forced OOP is very very very bad
@vaporeon_ @aescling when it comes to python internals getting nasty the first things that come to mind are the import behavior which is bizarrely complicated, or metaclasses
@aescling @vaporeon_ but in python you don't need to know that to get going. in java you have to understand some things about how classes work to even write a hello world