Lady, EVOLVED 
we were talking about the winter holidays and now i want to do winter holidays things but it's not for two more weeks
the winter holidays we celebrate are advent, sinterklaas, new years, and kings day
@Lady that actually sounds super nice
@akjcv it's very “how do we dechristianize our family traditions” but i think it will be good
i like the gradual lighting of more candles as new years approaches; the traditional third pink candle lines up with the week of the solstice; and orienting the holidays around weekends will work well with our schedules
we both have things we like doing in winter but have zero attachment to the christian trappings surrounding it (or to christmas in particular)
@Lady That's the most important part of like every holiday.
Also lighting candles.
@Lady (Sometimes there's also eating the food in the Right Place. Or at the Right Time, or interspersed with saying The Right Words.)
what we’ve been discussing is starting advent with the lighting of the first candle on the fifth sunday before new years, maintaining a twelve day yuletide from the lighting of the fifth candle on the final sunday thru to the second following thursday (twelfth night), and then celebrating kings day on the following day
this is different from the christian kings day but we don't care about epiphany we just want the tasty cake