when I was in art school we would have crits and I swear every single time there would be people who would start with "I like it but..." and it used to drive me up the wall
I don't really care if you like it, I am asking for feedback, that is part of the process
@pagrus giving criticism is hard, not everyone takes it well, and some people have learned to get around this by softening it. there's better ways to do it, but I understand where they're coming from
@titania@retro.pizza I enjoyed the exchanges a lot more when people didn't concern themselves with being nice. I mean, you can deliver honest feedback without being an asshole or, like, hurtful about it
@pagrus sure. I think it's mostly -- people, especially people AFAB, are taught not to rock the boat, and unlearning that + learning how to deliver criticism in a way that is helpful without being cruel is a skill that beginning students often lack.
(I teach a module about this as part of the uni course I do, since peer feedback is part of our work. It's like pulling teeth *every time*.)
@titania@retro.pizza @Satsuma@glitch.cat.family I always liked "did you try..." because it kind of assumes that they were thoughtful enough to have already considered it and decided against it, and if not maybe they could see if it would help
@Satsuma yeah, we teach it because it's a skill not everyone has, and we want people to be able to give good feedback -- it's a key skill to have as an adult.
we start with a rubric and ask them to think about how their peers did during presentations/report-outs, and then we dig into the "criticism sandwich", where it's: "I thought [x] worked well, but I had questions about how it relates to [y], could you please clarify that? Otherwise, I also thought [z] was formatted well," etc. @pagrus