@Lady Oh no yeah absolutely. And, like, on the other side of that metaphor I am happy that Twitter is collapsing down and spinning out communities.

But also, like, it'd would be fine and expected for the fracking workers to mourn for their personal loss. I wouldn't support them continuing their jobs -- let's get you less world-damaging ones -- but I'd be against telling them not to feel that loss. It's unproductive and demanding-artificiality for pointless reasons.
(IMO, it's a moralization of emotions.)

And for people mourning Twitter, same. It's a real loss they're experiencing and real emotions they're feeling because of it, and even if I could convince them that my opinion on optimal structures of online social spaces are correct that still wouldn't change that.

@gaditb yeah i agree. but i think the problem is that ex-Twitter folks have now entered a lot of spaces which are rightly celebrating the death of twitter, and gotten defensive about that. the process of mourning needs to include a bit where you recognize that the thing which was good for you was also responsible for massive ecological destruction, or else you're just going to keep butting heads with the people who were harmed by it.

this has maybe strayed a bit from the original subtoot. but i think there's mourning and then there's PUBLIC mourning and it's really hard to do public mourning of a thing when you're surrounded by people that that thing hurt. and there needs to be some awareness of that tension

@Lady To be fair, my initial subtoot was kinda reading things into the article that aren't necessarily there.

Like "Twitter Was A Tower Of Babel; God/Nature Judged It And Found It Lacking" is... not NECESSARILY directed at people mourning Twitter, either, to tell them "actually the thing you're morning was Judged and found Wanting". I probably read some of that in.

@Lady Hmm.
I... I dunno if the distinction of /public/ mourning is exactly how I'd cut it, maybe? but maybe not? Like "public" feels like too flexible a term to be a distinction, and too easily used to mean anything from "directly in your ears" to "if I can even look and find it", a really unweildly broad range.

Also my particular issue with people-who-miss-Twitter that I, at least, have had, is more their "I'm now joining you here and I want to rebuild THIS feature from Twitter for Us", and not thinking about the nearby people about /that/.
Which feels... like something other than mourning, maybe? (but maybe it IS related.)

I dunno.

@Lady Anyways regardless as another largely-tangential side thing, as always,

PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE, AND THEIR PASSION (REGARDLESS OF PLACEMENT, SUBJECT, OR EFFECT) ALWAYS HAS, AMIDST WHATEVER COMPLEX (POSSIBLY SIGNIFICANTLY NEGATIVE) OTHER FEATURES, A CORE BEAUTY AND INHERENT VALUE TO IT

IF NATURE IS UNJUST, CHANGE NATURE

ATTACK AND DETHRONE GOD

@Lady (... I.. still need to work on conciseness for that first one. In my defense that one's my own and I don't have any text or collection of cultural artifacts backing it that I can point to, to carry its nuances by implication and reference.)

@gaditb LOVE IS LOVE

@Lady *holding up a picture of furries giving each other headpats after panic attacks and a picture of apu apustajas hugboxing each other through lonely nights into soft-euphemisms-using genocidal fascism*
"I SEE NO DIFFERENCE. LOVE IS LOVE."