@eldang look it’s not complicated. i’m saying that if you say “ban cars”, as a shorthand or no, people are going to get offended. if you continue to say it, as a shorthand or no, i can only assume that you are fine with those people getting offended.

so be it. but don’t act surprised when people do, then, get offended.

i am not arguing policy with you. i am saying that these fights are easily avoidable. OP was about avoiding these fights. my post was about avoiding these fights. you are not helping your cause by having these fights.