@packetcat open web is good (and i think it has good resonance with other movements i like, like open source, open culture, and open data), but it is slightly different in my mind

“open web”, to me, means:
• a web that anyone can access
• which uses open, standardized protocols that anyone can implement,
• and (ideally) is designed with an eye to human collaboration and community

you can be open while still being big: that’s the Wikimedia foundation projects for example, and a lot of libraries and cultural heritage institutions. when people talk about small or indie web tho, they are typically excluding those things. they mean a web of websites which are owned and operated primarily by individuals rather than organizations, without any clear hierarchy, and free of corporate influence

@Lady ah. Thank you for explaining the different types of anarchy. I am actually very much not familiar with the philosophies involved. Just the literal meaning of the word.

So if I am understanding your thoughts on the open web's anarchy right and the fediverse itself is a part of the open web then, personally I think the fediverse is one of the best examples of the kind of open web you are talking about.

Please do correct my understanding if I'm incorrect.

@packetcat yes i think the fediverse is very good personally, and very much the open web, but you still get people having bad takes like “instance admins are just like landlords”

and those are kind of the two camps as i see it, the kind of people who want admins and moderators, but on an open platform that people can freely join or leave, and people who think any amount of authority or control is too much and everything needs to be a flat structure where everyone is equals

both of these are anarchist positions but they’re very different models of anarchism, and i see the same differences in how people talk about the web

@packetcat my critique with the indie/small web people though is that usually they aren’t even thinking in these terms; they don’t realize that what they’re trying to build is political or has an ideology. so they can’t really consider it or think through its implications.

the open web folks are a lot better; they’ve been pretty political from the start

@Lady ahhh yeah I see this fallacious pattern of thinking often

when tech people in indie web people get way too focused on the tech and forget the politics, its so so frustrating to me!

both are important

@Lady ahhhh yes! I see the instance landlord thing often because I am also an admin and the way I see it is that I'm a steward, I make decisions for the good of our community first and then the fediverse because that's what Ten Forward is to me!

Community.

heh. I don't think or know if I'm an anarchist but I'm a big believer in community, and mutual aid of all kinds. Reading Mao actually clarified that even more for me.