For those who haven't seen it, here's @zkat@toot.cat's suggestion of caracoles and @ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social's suggestion of fedifams. I've got a thread of thoughts as well in the replies to Kat's post.
And I agree. We need something different and more transformative; the Mastodon project isn't going to be that.
EDIT: Also, @Lady@glitch.cat.family has some great thoughts about the power structures in Mastodon today.
And @SoniEx2@chaos.social this also relates to the discussion in the other subthread as well!
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@jdp23 @oliphant@oliphant.social @zkat @blogdiva historically fedipacts have been used primarily by sus instances to try to mandate federation from other instances in the pact. i think it's foolish to assume that every instance in a federation will necessarily want to federate with every other instance, even if belongingness in that federation is opt-in, not the least of all because instances are run by people and people sometimes have falling-outs with each other. sometimes mods of instances with very similar values hate each other's guts. sometimes people with generally good values on paper are abusive interpersonally.
i’m really hesitant towards any system which threatens to take away from admins the ability to make these determinations on a case-by-case basis. “you have to either defederate from the entire community of instances or continue federating with your abuser” is not a healthy federation model. doubly if the penalty to defederation is also losing your funding model. we need a system which allows people to disengage without losing community support
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To clarify:
- Yes the caracoles proposal is about 100% opt-in
- Your individual instance can choose to federate another individual instance or an entire caracol.
- They can choose to defed a subset of a caracol if they don’t like one instance
- Caracoles can federate each other, or individual instances, or defed individual instances inside a friendly caracol
Thanks for clarifying @zkat@toot.cat and apologies for the misunderstanding, I had misinterpreted something you said in the original post about instances all agreeing to federate with each other.
In fact my most recent post in the thread even said "Assuming that all instances in a Caracol federate with each other (which seems fundamental to the model) ..." Oops! I've now edited to highlight that the assumption was wrong.
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